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HuntMaster Avatar · Jun 28, 2009, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Jeydra

Lol almost the exact same thing happened to me once. Long, long ago one I played a team of 4 syncers with perfect TA bars in RA, and beat them. I told them in AllChat, "gg fags", and got banned for it (actually got banned twice too for the same offense, overturned the second one on appeal). OK, lesson learned, don't use the word "fag". Then not so long later one of my teammates called another one of my teammates "fag" in teamchat. I reported him, and he was banned. OK. Looks like I got the interpretation right. Recently someone else said "fag" in teamchat, and again I reported him. This time he didn't get banned. What the heck? I linked the GM the previous ticket which did result in a ban, and then surprisingly enough the GM tells me that the previous ticket was handled inappropriately. Looks like somewhere along the line what constitutes an insult and what doesn't has changed.

I think what ANet needs is a set of clear rules. For example: it is not bannable to say "fag" in teamchat or private whisper, but it is in AllChat. Great. This sets down limits with no grey area. Without it, ambiguities will simply keep happening.

PS: I think said person should be banned. After all, other people have been banned for things less major, so why shouldn't this guy be?

I love how you report people for the same thing you did and I bet I know why and it has nothing to do with "cleaning up the game". But I'll leave the speculation at the door.

Anet does need to get their own rules straight. How can they expect anyone to follow the rules if even they don't know what they are or if the rules change for different situations.

Also, "Fag" is a childs insult. What simple minded fools use it as adults? I stopped saying fag by age 12 and that was a very long time ago. Now I say fruityass or fruitloop or crotchrot. All of which make my fruityass friends laugh.

My best friend has a gay twin brother. Endless entertainment and lol's to be sure. I normally call him a rainbow warrior but now I guess I need to switch up and call him a carebear.

-And no, I don't have a problem with butthole pirates as long as they are not obnoxious flamers. I just like giving him hell. I'd give him a hard time, but he'd like it too much.

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Originally Posted by Guldur

Anet cant go around banning every single person that swears a single time. This only pisses off players and make them stop playing, and thats something we dont need right now, specially because of carebears who shouldnt be in PvP.

Most of the times the one reporting isnt offended at all, he just wants his little revenge and try to get the other banned. Fortunately Anet isnt falling for it anymore.

Underlined part: Anet doesn't care if people quit. They already have their money and playing the game doesn't pay their bills. The amount of people quitting over being banned due to violations is so small that those players will never be missed. -And carebears don't belong in PVP anymore than jerks do.

Bolded part: Anet is falling for it. People complain daily about being banned for (to them) stupid reasons. If someone gives someone else the chance to report them, they deserve the ban.

How stupid do you have to be to know, "if I do this, I might get banned" and then go ahead and do it. Idiots deserved to get banned.

Mistakes happen but gimme a break. Some things are clearly not mistakes.

Luckily, I can't be bothered to report people for almost anything, otherwise I'd be reporting anyone and everyone in the game who even slightly broke the ToS. Although I have better things to do, like cut my toenails or waste time on forums.

Curse You · Jun 28, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

I'm not at all surprised at their response. If they had banned them, I'd have been banned so many times I would likely be banned from all other NCSoft games.

Frankly, I quite often will use what some may consider "offensive" words during PvP matches (mostly FA and JQ). Most of the time it's caused by a my being stuck with a rather incompetent team. However, I only use them in a general sense, while keeping to more acceptable language if I single someone out.

P.S. If someone is just offended by a word no matter its context, they should keep the Chat Filter on.

NecoLupus · Jun 28, 2009, 04:56 PM // 16:56

I got banned for whispering someone calling them a nig . ger, innapropiate yes, but by what they're saying here I should not have been.

In my opinion I did deserve it though.

byteme! · Jun 28, 2009, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Support did the right thing. If I was in their shoes looking over this support ticket I'd probably chuckle a little and then toss it aside because it's a waste of time. I'm not about to sit here and look for tiny lil technicalities ,loops holes or nitpick through the Eula. It's stupid, time consuming and if my loyal customers knew I was wasting their precious dollars on things like this I deserve to be fired on the spot.

If Anet sticks to 1 rule and bans everyone who speaks profanity half of us would not be playing and the other half will follow suit and leave as well leaving a desolate game.

If Carebears start running/changing the landscape of GW2 like they keep doing to GW1 we all might as well find something else to play. I agree with what someone said earlier. Carebears don't belong in PvP. If you feel ruining a person's day(s) by getting them banned because you couldn't handle a lil insult then you're the one with issues. You allowed someone to get under your skin. Shame on you. Go find a nice dark corner and stay there.

There is NO reason to go through this much trouble to get someone banned except out of spite, especially concerning this particular case. Many people have abused this and countless people have been unjustifiably banned in the past. Reporting for the purpose of warning is one thing but reporting with the intent to remove/ban anyone just screams foul unless it's completely justifiable. People work hard and pay good money to have the privilege to play GW, lets not allow one man's vindictive crusade hamper this.

Coney · Jun 28, 2009, 07:46 PM // 19:46

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Originally Posted by upier

I was happily playing around in Aspy, when I get called a (carebear)fag.

I have to admit, it sure sounds carebear-ish to me.

Nitpicking the rules, looking for the singleton technicality to
get someone a ban, is somewhat childish.

That's not to say I wouldn't have done the same thing you did, but I doubt I would have...

I would suggest something like this *SHOULD* result in an initial *WARNING* to that player. In fact, their entire report/ban system should have first violations result in a warning. That's how it was in WoW, and usually once someone gets a warning they become overconcerned about not repeating that behavior, as the next time will result in a ban...

You just got tomahawked · Jun 28, 2009, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Can you like not get butt hurt when someone doesn't like you and just suck it up? Why report someone and risk throwing away all the money that person has spent on the account? Sure, they shouldn't say those things but just turn the other cheek.

upier · Jun 28, 2009, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by NecoLupus

I got banned for whispering someone calling them a nig . ger, innapropiate yes, but by what they're saying here I should not have been.

In my opinion I did deserve it though.

That's interesting.
Did you say it just once over a PM or was there additional abuse involved?
And considering what Jeydra said, how long ago did that happen?

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Originally Posted by You just got tomahawked

Can you like not get butt hurt when someone doesn't like you and just suck it up? Why report someone and risk throwing away all the money that person has spent on the account? Sure, they shouldn't say those things but just turn the other cheek.

How about if the person thought of the money they spent on their account before spewing out crap?

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Originally Posted by LicensedLuny

TY! That line cracked me up! How would Wednesday be?

Nodakim · Jun 28, 2009, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Calling somebody RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO is racism,not the same as your insult.

upier · Jun 28, 2009, 09:29 PM // 21:29

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Originally Posted by Nodakim

Calling somebody RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO is racism,not the same as your insult.

As I have said in my first post - this is what I got back:

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Because this was done in private chat and was just a single rude remark, it is best handled by placing the player on the ignore list. This would apply to any singular rude remark.

(Bolded the important part.)
Which is also one of the questions I raised in this thread.

Bryant Again · Jun 28, 2009, 09:45 PM // 21:45

I kind of feel more like this thread is highlighting the double-standards in the bans that've been handed out. Here we have Upier being told that "yeah we're not going to take action over him calling you a single bad name" and to just put him on the ignore list - which I agree with - when there have been supposedly numerous people getting banned for doing just that: saying a bad word.

At least that's what I got from this thread, besides people overlooking the awesomeness over Google's "define:" : p

AngelWJedi · Jun 28, 2009, 11:49 PM // 23:49

so basically if i understand this right. someone can whsp me once and called me B** and i report it they wont do nothing? but if they procede to type me line after line of insults and i report it then they will do something?

and if it the latter it has to all bad words? like i said to inde this runner who didnt like my nice but bad review whsped me mean words. not overaly the top graphic but still if it had been in rl i could have gotten him fired. would that count since he type me more then one line?

IlikeGW · Jun 29, 2009, 12:56 AM // 00:56

That's interesting, because Anet back in the Gaile Gray days would always say that the filter was not an excuse to use offensive language. Apparently it always has been though, which is evident to anyone who played the game anyway. They simply don't take action on anything less than the severest offenders, always has been that way.

Lux Aeterna · Jun 29, 2009, 01:13 AM // 01:13

I generally avoid specific offensive terms, rather choosing to use general profanity when verbally abusing other players in an effort to avoid bans.

Master Ketsu · Jun 29, 2009, 01:50 AM // 01:50

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Originally Posted by upier

I was happily playing around in Aspy, when I get called a (carebear)fag. And it wasn't a good day to call me a fag.
So I took a screenshot, sent it to support explaining them that I do not approve of such behaviour and asking if they could look into it.
A few hours later - I got a response:

And it was this:

Originally Posted by GW Support Team
The screenshot was reviewed. We would not consider the singular remark an actionable violation. Guild Wars has two features that players can use to shield themselves from this type of misbehavior.

- The first is our chat filter system. You can adjust this filter by opening your Options menu ("F11" on your keyboard when logged into the game) and adjusting the setting to either "None," "Normal," or "Maximum."

- The second is our Ignore feature, which can be accessed through the Friends list ("N" on your keyboard when logged into the game). You can add a player to the Ignore list by typing their name into the "Ignored" box and pressing Enter. You will ignore all the characters on that character's account. Please note that there is a limited number of names that can be added to your Ignore list.

We appreciate your support of Guild Wars and your interest in keeping the game world pleasant for all players.

Blah Blah Blah double standards QQ whine complain ect.

This is one of the few times I will completely agree with Anet's support team.

Did someone say something on an online game which you could have filtered or just simply ignored? Did it make you QQ? Who the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO cares. It's text over an online system. It cannot hurt you unless you let it. Only idiots get offended by nonsensical drivel over an online game. Anet has no obligation to be babysitters.

And lets just accept the reality here. You weren't actually offended to the point where you honestly and truly believed that reporting this person was your duty as a EULA abiding outstanding GW player did you? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTT Of course not! You said so yourself that you were just on a bad day. You just wanted the person to be banned to quell your own ego trip. Reminds me of kindergartners who like to rat other kids out just so they can enjoy watching them get punished. Sad.

If the GM turned around and banned you for wasting his\her time, that would have been lulz.

upier · Jun 29, 2009, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

You weren't actually offended to the point where you honestly and truly believed that reporting this person was your duty as a EULA abiding outstanding GW player did you? PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTT Of course not! You said so yourself that you were just on a bad day. You just wanted the person to be banned to quell your own ego trip. Reminds me of kindergartners who like to rat other kids out just so they can enjoy watching them get punished. Sad.

If the GM turned around and banned you for wasting his\her time, that would have been lulz.

Since the rules state that:

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You may not use sexually explicit, harmful, threatening, abusive, defamatory, obscene, hateful, or racially or ethnically offensive language.

I don't see why I'd need to be offended by their words for an action to follow?
And why would it then play a role how many times a rude remark was uttered? If I am not offended by it the first time, why would they look into it if it was said multiple times, yet I still wouldn't be offended by it?

The way I understood their response was that the word "fag" does not fall into the category of acceptable words. Otherwise one could go go around screaming "fag" at everyone and NEVER get banned.
So I really do not see where this "boo hoo hoo, the guy didn't do anything wrong, and you should have never reported him" comes from.

pumpkin pie · Jun 29, 2009, 08:21 AM // 08:21

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Originally Posted by AngelWJedi

so basically if i understand this right. someone can whsp me once and called me B** and i report it they wont do nothing? but if they procede to type me line after line of insults and i report it then they will do something?

and if it the latter it has to all bad words? like i said to inde this runner who didnt like my nice but bad review whsped me mean words. not overaly the top graphic but still if it had been in rl i could have gotten him fired. would that count since he type me more then one line?

See, according to the ArenaNet Support's logic, they still won't do a thing about it, because you "should have put them on ignore"

Still Number One · Jun 29, 2009, 12:43 PM // 12:43

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

See, according to the ArenaNet Support's logic, they still won't do a thing about it, because you "should have put them on ignore"

But what if your ignore list is full....

Ghost Omel · Jun 29, 2009, 12:51 PM // 12:51

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Originally Posted by Still Number One

But what if your ignore list is full....

No 1 will stalk you forever remove the first entry...

2 being offended by a word or 2 or 3 is silly.... ignoring is the best way to do it even if the ignore list is full just not paying attention is a way out

3 ITS A game and online interaction is not rated so the excuse.. "Uhh, ma kid is playing here and i could not let him see da words ya know" escuse is just silly and holds no value at all.

4. Reporting for that is silly... Reporting scammers, botters leechers will do more good.

5. You have sadi those words yourself and should be banned according to your logic...in REAL LIFE.. Do you get shot for saying stuff like that.. (Unless you live in certain areas)?

Grow some dignity be more mature// there is alwasy a way out even if person doesnt wana listen them talkign to them repectuflly igonring the rude remarks will make them bored of insulting you

I Ignore list is 0

I have had made so many "enemies" over the years and none of them came back to bother me even after one ruined my guild and second took my officer position and 3rd scammed my friend and yada yada yada...

Nodakim · Jun 29, 2009, 01:50 PM // 13:50

I think somebody should go cry in a corner.
Are you so easily offended that one word and you scream "ban him,he is hurting me!!".
Jish,being so hurt over a word over the internet,i cant imagine what would happen if he called you that in real life.

Come one
Note.Not realy talking about OP,just in general about crybabys.

Dronte · Jun 29, 2009, 02:31 PM // 14:31

You seriously reported someone with a screen because he called you a fag? Congratz.